Dramatic SFB: Defender looses border missions

[Gregory Flusche]

that it is what we are all trying to find is a way to do a victory.

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:22 PM Randy Blair <randyblair2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Concur with my peers.
> Noborder results penalize both players.
> Also, this campaign has no real victory conditions.
>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019, 3:45 PM Don Lavanty via SFBdrama <
> sfbdrama at lists.mattnet.org wrote:
>
>> my main thoughts were on the reason's people want to loose borders
>> There are only 2 reason right now to try and "win" (or deliberately
>> loose) a loss of border fight
>> 1) remove a race/player either race is the paper to your rock (or the
>> player is)
>> 2) reduce the number of borders so you can concentrate your fleet more
>>
>> as right now its a double penalty to the attacker and defender.
>> by pushing one player to elimination you are pushing yourself to the same
>> fate.
>>
>> The ultimate solution of the game is the elimination of the other players.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:57 PM Charles Carroll <mastrvran at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It could help, because something needs to be done. But realistically.
>>> The defender...rarely has to defend as things stand now.
>>>
>>> When determining what to attack...the attacker has to think in most of
>>> these. Well I can attack here. And if I win I get 30? For the win. Maybe
>>> lose a ship. Which is worth more than 30. Definitely lose a border of my
>>> own. Which means all future income is gone. Hmmmmm.....what should I do.
>>>
>>> Oh look...there is a fight were I get income and still have a border
>>> left. That is where I will go.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 2:52 PM Gregory Flusche via SFBdrama <
>>> sfbdrama at lists.mattnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes if the attacker gains a new border with a different race then the
>>>> defender and the defender losses a border. This would force the defender to
>>>> fight those battles
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:28 PM Don Lavanty via SFBdrama <
>>>> sfbdrama at lists.mattnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lol I appologize for my fat thumbing (emailing on phone)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:21 PM Don Lavanty via SFBdrama <
>>>>> sfbdrama at lists.mattnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I have been thinking about these missions and both sides do not want
>>>>>> this so all of them are being avoided as neither side wants the loss of
>>>>>> income. M
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest the following change to add to the pot so to speak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Defender nothing really changes
>>>>>> Defender looses border pushinging them towards elimination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attacker: newborder
>>>>>> Improve the economic gain for the attacker
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