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<div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">With the Seltorians/Hydrans 141 battle resolved we should all be RTA, and on to cycling the turn..:></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> (Matt has ruled on carriers/escorts).</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">all good</div>
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On Thursday, 25 February 2021, 08:42:36 am AEST, Gregory Flusche via SFBdrama <sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv0860725805"><div><div dir="ltr">Seltorion ready to advance<div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote"><div class="yiv0860725805yqt5053471509" id="yiv0860725805yqtfd20657"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 4:15 PM Majead Farsi via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">I would guess you go with the size class of carrier. Size class 3 has 2 but can have 3 and 1 of them must be size class 4. rest you can choose I would guess.</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 20:30, Charles Carroll via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr">Matt since the listed escorts for it are um...NONE....that makes it easy, Or are you going to write up an escort table for ships that do not have escorts ever? And just arbitrarily assign some for it based on some other ship?</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote"><div class="yiv0860725805gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 9:15 AM Matt <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org">matt@mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv0860725805gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">
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<div><b>Romulan Heavy Hawks</b>: Go by the above carrier
definitions. The Superhawk (SUP) is a true carrier because it
has more fighters than are allowed as a hybrid carrier. If you
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<div>Why would the SUP be considered a true carrier (it carries
8 fighters) when the Farhawk is a hybrid carrier (it carries
12 fighters). Both ships should be considered hybrid carriers
since they both have their carrier version which are the SUB
and the FAB. SUP and FAK both dont require escorts while the
SUB and FAB do need escorts.</div>
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<p>You're right. I had to dig into the Master Ship Book for the
Romulans, where it describes the ships better than it did in the
module they were released in. The MSSB indeed say that the SUP and
FAK both are "true carriers". Apologies for confusing things by
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<div>With the exception of the Hydrans, very few ships have the
ability to carry fighters without having escorts. </div>
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<div>What about Jindarian rock ships when they can have from 4
to 12 fighters in addition to up to 6 bombers. Those are
considered hybrid carriers (They dont require escorts)</div>
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<p>If you mean (R16.R2), where the asteroid ships may replace some
prospecting shuttles with fighters, that rule specifically points
out that these are hybrid carriers.</p>
<p>There are some true carrier variants, mentioned in (R16.R3) and
given their own shout-out in (R16.xx). Those would need escorts.<br clear="none">
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<div>In addition S8.315 does not invalidate S8.311 in my own
opinion. If S8.315 invalidates S8.311, every ship that has a V
in the MSS would need to have escorts (including all hydans
hybrid carriers and Jindarian hybrid rockships) because S8.315
would invalidate the R section, where it is listed if the
ships requires escort. This would also include all BB's since
they carry 6+ fighters.</div>
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<p>I presume you are referring to the last line of (S8.311), which
says "<i>Some carriers are listed as having no escorts and may
operate as such.</i>" This line you refer to, is the crux of the
whole conversation. I take this to mean the normal state of SFB
(e.g. some ships have "none" in their escort tables.) When playing
by an optional rule, some "normal" rules are ignored. I've come
out and said that the flexible escort rules overrule that line of
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<div>I will make a list of all ships that carry fighters
(excluding hydran hybrid carriers) and if they can have
escorts and of the ones that can have escorts but are not
required to do so as per their ships description. (there is
not that manhy of them)</div>
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<p>No need.</p>
<p>If it's a true carrier, it needs escorts. Blanket statement.<br clear="none">
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<div>If you rule that the SUP-A/K needs escorts, i will have to
either change my initial build order or convert it to a SUB.
FAK are not available since they are UNV. The only reason i
build a SUP is that it did not need escorts as per R4.34 (same
as the FAK as per R4.128)</div>
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<p>But in the Romulan MSSB, the SUP is a "true carrier". Thus, per
the campaign ruling that is a mere three days old and has spilled
gallons of email text, it needs escorts.</p>
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<p>--Matt<br clear="none">
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