<div dir="ltr">I meant Matt....had just sent an email to Frank...and it carried over.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 12:47 PM Charles Carroll <<a href="mailto:mastrvran@gmail.com">mastrvran@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Almost all Hydrans are considered True Carriers.<div><br></div><div>Just for info lol. As in they get Extra Purchasable Deck Crews. Can Lend EW and all the usual Carrier Bonuses.</div><div><br></div><div>So...just something to keep in mind Frank. Some rules do not work well with Hydrans.</div><div><br></div><div>Chuck</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:13 AM Brent Stanton via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">So I have a question then, Matt.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">R9.R4 talks about how the carrier concept breaks down with Hydrans involved, and what ships require escorts. But if S8.315 supercedes the R sections wrt carriers then a vast number of my ships "count-as" true carriers, are denoted with the v in the master ship chart, and would require escorts based on their size-class. Are some of my deployments from this turn illegal, or am I in compliance with S8.315?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm struggling to wrap my head around the knock-on effects of S8.315 "must" vs S8.311 "may not" vs the R charts vs F&E 515</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brent</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 21:07 <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send SFBdrama mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: Flexible Escorts (Wayne Power)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Wayne Power <<a href="mailto:wdpower@yahoo.com.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">wdpower@yahoo.com.au</a>><br>To: Marcel Trahan <<a href="mailto:marcel.trahan91@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">marcel.trahan91@gmail.com</a>>, Peter DiMitri <<a href="mailto:pdimitri67@outlook.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">pdimitri67@outlook.com</a>><br>Cc: Matthew via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:25:05 +0000 (UTC)<br>Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Flexible Escorts<br><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">I fine with using the ruling from SPP.</div><div><br></div>
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On Tuesday, 23 February 2021, 05:01:10 am AEST, Peter DiMitri <<a href="mailto:pdimitri67@outlook.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">pdimitri67@outlook.com</a>> wrote:
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<div>I have a concern regarding some ships that carry fighters but the ship description specified that they never had any escorts.</div>
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<div>For example, the Romulan SUP-A/K never had any escorts assigned to it. Most FFV and Police carriers fall under that rule as well. Should they be treated as casual carriers?</div>
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<div>The same issue can be raised for some SRV that may have escorts but are not mandatory required to do so. The same thing is valid for Federation Heavy Fighter carriers and scout carriers where the escorts are not mandatory. Most FFV don't require escorts even
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<div>BB's have fighters (6 to 8 fighters) but do not require escorts.</div>
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<div>G3A lists all carriers with their escorts and specifies when they are required and if they can be dismissed. I think this is also shown in F&E but i am not sure. I think the ship description or G3A should be used to define if escorts are required. Then,
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<div dir="ltr">David, as noted I will still disengage from scenario 144 refugee flight vs the Gorn.</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:30:34 pm AEST, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">k, just read (J4.62) if one or two fighters SRVs are casual carriers.</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:21:03 pm AEST, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I think most SRVs are casual carriers (so will not need an escort)?</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:00:54 pm AEST, Charles Carroll via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div>I would say this ship never is listed as having escorts. Now could you decide to send some? Maybe? But per 4.34 it states the above. Add to that the chart....which states specifically. None for escorts but shows all potential fighter groups. I would say
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 11:53 PM Matt <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank">matt@mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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