<div dir="ltr">I kind of like the Iron Duck. <div><br></div><div>Since my Alter ego is often Chuckles de Duckles. So I could introduce myself as Sir Duckles, captain of the Iron Duck.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 6:45 PM Wayne Power <<a href="mailto:wdpower@yahoo.com.au">wdpower@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
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On Wednesday, 24 February 2021, 09:43:54 am AEST, Wayne Power <<a href="mailto:wdpower@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">wdpower@yahoo.com.au</a>> wrote:
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<div><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Brent,</div><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr">Most of the Hydran ships do not need any escorts and can lend EW and have pods and chaff packs, as noted in (R9.R4) some are capable of having heavy fighters and do need to have escorts, such as CVA, Uhlan CV, Tug with CV pallet, LTT with CV pallet, NVL, Iron duck CVA, CVM.</div>
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On Wednesday, 24 February 2021, 05:14:55 am AEST, Charles Carroll via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114"><div><div dir="ltr">Lol have no fear...someone somewhere will be sure to tell you you are breaking the rules as you do something they think affects them lol.<div><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114yqtfd43301"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 1:34 PM Brent Stanton via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hense my confusion. Like I was telling Chuck, I don't understand the debate well enough to have an informed opinion. I just want to make sure i'm not breaking the rules of SFB, Matt's campaign, or both.<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Brent</div></div><br clear="none"><div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:31 David Hanson <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:hansondavid4@yahoo.com" target="_blank">hansondavid4@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div><p>There is a bit of commentary in the rule around the use of “true carriers” which appears to be an F&E construct. They try to make a distinction, but, often use true carrier in section R. I am not sure if that is for the benefit of F&E players or inconsistency in use of terms.</p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p><i>(J4.623) Most Hydran ships carry at least some fighters; any Hydran ship carrying fighters is considered to be an “fully-capable” carrier unless specifically noted otherwise in its ship description. Carrier tugs and monitors equipped with fighter or SCS pallets are fully-capable carriers. There is some confusion between Star Fleet Battles and the companion strategic game Federation & Empire. F&E uses the term “true carrier” to refer to ships which carry full fighter squadrons, causing confusion because the term “true carrier” was sometimes used in SFB for what is now called a “fully capable” carrier.<u></u><u></u></i></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>SFB Has “Fully Capable” carriers, which include hybrid carries such as Hydrans, is the main distinction in SFB. It seems this is mostly about splitting a ship with fighters that is fully capable to support the fighters, with things such as EW, from “casual carriers” which cannot do the specials. There is not a lot of definition of “Hybrid” carriers. Most of the use of this is in whether to count fighters against the 36 fighter limit. <u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><p>Sent from <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" target="_blank">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p><u></u> <u></u></p><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p style="border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">Charles Carroll via SFBdrama</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:47 AM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:brentzkrieg39@gmail.com" target="_blank">Brent Stanton</a><br clear="none"><b>Cc: </b><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">SFBdrama</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: Dramatic SFB: Flexible Escorts</p></div><p><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p>Almost all Hydrans are considered True Carriers.</p><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>Just for info lol. As in they get Extra Purchasable Deck Crews. Can Lend EW and all the usual Carrier Bonuses.</p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>So...just something to keep in mind Frank. Some rules do not work well with Hydrans.</p></div><div><p><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p>Chuck</p></div></div><p><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p>On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 11:13 AM Brent Stanton via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt">So I have a question then, Matt.</p><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt">R9.R4 talks about how the carrier concept breaks down with Hydrans involved, and what ships require escorts. But if S8.315 supercedes the R sections wrt carriers then a vast number of my ships "count-as" true carriers, are denoted with the v in the master ship chart, and would require escorts based on their size-class. Are some of my deployments from this turn illegal, or am I in compliance with S8.315?</p></div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt">I'm struggling to wrap my head around the knock-on effects of S8.315 "must" vs S8.311 "may not" vs the R charts vs F&E 515</p></div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt">Brent</p></div></div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p style="margin-left:4.8pt">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 21:07 <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><p style="margin-left:9.6pt">Send SFBdrama mailing list submissions to<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="http://lists.mattnet.org/listinfo.cgi/sfbdrama-mattnet.org" target="_blank">http://lists.mattnet.org/listinfo.cgi/sfbdrama-mattnet.org</a><br clear="none">or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">You can reach the person managing the list at<br clear="none"> <a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama-owner@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama-owner@lists.mattnet.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br clear="none">than "Re: Contents of SFBdrama digest..."<br clear="none">Today's Topics:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> 1. Re: Flexible Escorts (Wayne Power)<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br clear="none">From: Wayne Power <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:wdpower@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">wdpower@yahoo.com.au</a>><br clear="none">To: Marcel Trahan <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:marcel.trahan91@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcel.trahan91@gmail.com</a>>, Peter DiMitri <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:pdimitri67@outlook.com" target="_blank">pdimitri67@outlook.com</a>><br clear="none">Cc: Matthew via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>><br clear="none">Bcc: <br clear="none">Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:25:05 +0000 (UTC)<br clear="none">Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Flexible Escorts</p><div><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">I fine with using the ruling from SPP.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yahoo_quoted_4088123897"><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Tuesday, 23 February 2021, 05:01:10 am AEST, Peter DiMitri <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:pdimitri67@outlook.com" target="_blank">pdimitri67@outlook.com</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306"><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">The following is the ruling from Steve Petrick:</span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;color:black;background:white">Single ship carriers CAN be escorted, but do not REQUIRE escorts. A CVS must be escorted and can have a larger escort than listed, a Federation CVL (GSC acting as a light carrier) CAN be escorted, but it not required to be escorted.</span></b><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Peace,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306Signature"><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black">Peter S. DiMitri<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><img id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322Horizontal_x0020_Line_x0020_1" border="0" width="546" height="2" style="width: 5.6875in; min-height: 0.0208in;"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306yqt56674"><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306divRplyFwdMsg"><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama-bounces@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama-bounces@lists.mattnet.org</a>> on behalf of Marcel Trahan via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 22, 2021 10:37 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Wayne Power <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:wdpower@yahoo.com.au" target="_blank">wdpower@yahoo.com.au</a>><br clear="none"><b>Cc:</b> Matthew via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: Dramatic SFB: Flexible Escorts</span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi Matt, <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I have a concern regarding some ships that carry fighters but the ship description specified that they never had any escorts.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">For example, the Romulan SUP-A/K never had any escorts assigned to it. Most FFV and Police carriers fall under that rule as well. Should they be treated as casual carriers?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">The same issue can be raised for some SRV that may have escorts but are not mandatory required to do so. The same thing is valid for Federation Heavy Fighter carriers and scout carriers where the escorts are not mandatory. Most FFV don't require escorts even if they carry 6 fighters,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">BB's have fighters (6 to 8 fighters) but do not require escorts.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">G3A lists all carriers with their escorts and specifies when they are required and if they can be dismissed. I think this is also shown in F&E but i am not sure. I think the ship description or G3A should be used to define if escorts are required. Then, the flexible carrier group should be used.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Marcel<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p style="margin-left:9.6pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:33 AM Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">David, as noted I will still disengage from scenario 144 refugee flight vs the Gorn.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">all 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id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306x_gmail-m_6072932336026757300yiv9136534594yqt92993"><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:21:03 pm AEST, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><div 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G-III,<br clear="none">4xG-SF or G-FSF<br clear="none">or 4xTrib or Trib-D<br clear="none">or Trib-F or Trib-K<br clear="none">Y183-Y189 None 4xG-III or G-III-K,<br clear="none">4xG-FSF or Glad-D<br clear="none">or 4xTrib-K or Trib-F<br clear="none">Y190+ None 4xG-III-K, 4xGlad-D<br clear="none">or 4xTrib-K or Trib-F<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">I would say this ship never is listed as having escorts. Now could you decide to send some? Maybe? But per 4.34 it states the above. Add to that the chart....which states specifically. None for escorts but shows all potential fighter groups. I would say that ship never needs an escort.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306x_gmail-m_6072932336026757300yiv9136534594yqtfd02043"><div><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 11:53 PM Matt <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank">matt@mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:19.2pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br clear="none">> Some Roms like SUP-As are always exempt since they never need escorts.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">This is a case where you need to determine what type of carrier they <br clear="none">are. Looking at the Superhawk:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- It has 8 fighters, that's more than two, so it's not a casual carrier <br clear="none">(J4.62).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- It has more than six fighters, so it's not a hybrid carrier (S8.322). <br clear="none">That's a shame: I wanted it to fit here.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- There is no flavor text or mention in other sources that claims it was <br clear="none">intended for a specific role. The examples in (J4.62), the text of <br clear="none">(R9.R4), or the flavor text of (R4.128) are examples of countervailing <br clear="none">"other sources".<br clear="none"><br clear="none">- It has an escort table and the "V" note in the MSC. That pretty much <br clear="none">nails it as a "true" carrier without the others to fall back on.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">So the Superhawk needs escorts.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Some of the other heavy hawks (R4.N3) include the Killerhawk, Novahawk, <br clear="none">and the Royalhawk, which have no fighters. This suggests that it was not <br clear="none">an attempt to create a hull classification that traditionally carriers <br clear="none">fighters simply for the firepower benefit (unlike the Farhawks.) <br clear="none">However, the Thunderhawk,Superhawk-N (the "Sunhawk"), and the <br clear="none">Superhawk-B are obviously intended as full carriers.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">--Matt<u></u><u></u></span></p></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-4310828961947213188yiv2666799114gmail-m_-6974778958819800699m_2482770240025059322gmail-m_8085833639825685771m_933710175070328276yiv5806674306x_gmail-m_6072932336026757300yiv9136534594yqtfd24146"><p style="margin-left:0.2in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">____________________________________________________<br clear="none">Dramatic SFB campaign chatter list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" 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