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<span style="font-family:Verdana, Arial, Helvetica;font-size:medium;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important"><b>Single ship carriers CAN be escorted, but do not REQUIRE escorts. A CVS must be escorted and can have a larger escort than
listed, a Federation CVL (GSC acting as a light carrier) CAN be escorted, but it not required to be escorted.</b></span><br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 22, 2021 10:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wayne Power <wdpower@yahoo.com.au><br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Matt,
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<div>I have a concern regarding some ships that carry fighters but the ship description specified that they never had any escorts.</div>
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<div>For example, the Romulan SUP-A/K never had any escorts assigned to it. Most FFV and Police carriers fall under that rule as well. Should they be treated as casual carriers?</div>
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<div>The same issue can be raised for some SRV that may have escorts but are not mandatory required to do so. The same thing is valid for Federation Heavy Fighter carriers and scout carriers where the escorts are not mandatory. Most FFV don't require escorts even
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<div>BB's have fighters (6 to 8 fighters) but do not require escorts.</div>
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<div>G3A lists all carriers with their escorts and specifies when they are required and if they can be dismissed. I think this is also shown in F&E but i am not sure. I think the ship description or G3A should be used to define if escorts are required. Then,
the flexible carrier group should be used.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:33 AM Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">David, as noted I will still disengage from scenario 144 refugee flight vs the Gorn.</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:30:34 pm AEST, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">k, just read (J4.62) if one or two fighters SRVs are casual carriers.</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:21:03 pm AEST, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I think most SRVs are casual carriers (so will not need an escort)?</div>
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<div>On Monday, 22 February 2021, 03:00:54 pm AEST, Charles Carroll via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">While it carries fighters, the SuperHawk command cruiser does not<br clear="none">
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Y170-Y172 None 4xG-I, 4xG-F<br clear="none">
Y173-Y177 None 4xG-I or G-II,<br clear="none">
4xG-F or G-SF<br clear="none">
Y178-Y179 None 4xG-II, 4xG-SF<br clear="none">
or 4xTrib or Trib-D<br clear="none">
Y180-Y182 None 4xG-II or G-III,<br clear="none">
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or 4xTrib or Trib-D<br clear="none">
or Trib-F or Trib-K<br clear="none">
Y183-Y189 None 4xG-III or G-III-K,<br clear="none">
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or 4xTrib-K or Trib-F<br clear="none">
Y190+ None 4xG-III-K, 4xGlad-D<br clear="none">
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<div>I would say this ship never is listed as having escorts. Now could you decide to send some? Maybe? But per 4.34 it states the above. Add to that the chart....which states specifically. None for escorts but shows all potential fighter groups. I would say
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<div dir="ltr">On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 11:53 PM Matt <<a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank">matt@mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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- It has an escort table and the "V" note in the MSC. That pretty much <br clear="none">
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fighters simply for the firepower benefit (unlike the Farhawks.) <br clear="none">
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