<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1558841408836_2796"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1558841408836_2795">Well not the build part of the turn yet (the DN and DD will have to wait), Federation RTA.</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, 26 May 2019, 13:25, Wayne Power via SFBdrama <sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8119537331"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div id="yiv8119537331yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1558841025414_2781"><span id="yiv8119537331yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1558841025414_2780">I will quickly build a DNa+ and a DD+ and be RTA.</span></div> <div class="yiv8119537331qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8119537331yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div class="yiv8119537331yqt3368558631" id="yiv8119537331yqt67328"><div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, 26 May 2019, 12:06, Francois Lemay via SFBdrama <sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org> wrote:<br clear="none"></font></div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv8119537331y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8119537331"><div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"></div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">
</div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">I'm with Randy, how are we doing for RTAing ?</div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Cheers</div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">Frank</div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv8119537331ydpd25bce3fyahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;">
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019, 02:42:24 p.m. EDT, Randy Blair via SFBdrama <sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org> wrote:
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<div><div id="yiv8119537331"><div><div>All that being said, are we ready to advance the turn?</div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv8119537331yqt1507919522" id="yiv8119537331yqt64078"><div class="yiv8119537331gmail_quote"><div class="yiv8119537331gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, May 25, 2019, 1:41 PM Matt via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv8119537331gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><br clear="none">
> Sorry it's 2 issues<br clear="none">
> 1. Speed<br clear="none">
> 2. Power<br clear="none">
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> It's not just speed, its any power loss is catastrophic, make sense?<br clear="none">
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Sure, the CS has less static power. But with any batteries, the CS has <br clear="none">
much more power than the FT.<br clear="none">
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Power curves:<br clear="none">
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The CS has 8 static power and 30 (!) reserve power. After Panels and <br clear="none">
Life Support the CS has 4.5 static pwr left. So it can run at speed 12 <br clear="none">
and run LPFC without dipping into it's batts.<br clear="none">
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The FT has 14 static power and no (!) reserve power. After Shields, Life <br clear="none">
Support, LPFC, and 20 movement, it has 3 power left.<br clear="none">
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Damage Tolerance:<br clear="none">
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Presuming that the CS doesn't dip into batts for reinforcing it's panels <br clear="none">
(an unlikely situation, but run with it) then the CS being chased will <br clear="none">
suck up 18 damage before internals. If someone manages the 5% chance and <br clear="none">
tags a panel, the power dumps to the fronts and becomes a non-issue in <br clear="none">
the short-term. Otherwise, it's greater than 18 perfect-roll internals <br clear="none">
before all batteries are hit (averages make it more like 28 internals) <br clear="none">
and the CS is then unable to clear the panels or run the ship. This <br clear="none">
makes for 46 damage before the CS becomes a wreck.<br clear="none">
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The FT has 12 shields on the flanks and roughly 6 more internals <br clear="none">
(depending on how kind the DAC is to one ship or another.) The less <br clear="none">
shielding and greater volume balance out, leaving them both at <br clear="none">
approximately the same durability levels when taking a single volley.<br clear="none">
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Things change in the favor of PA panels when taking several hits, as the <br clear="none">
panels can be cleared while the shields cannot be. Additionally, the <br clear="none">
Panels can be made to absorb 12 more damage if the CS is willing to <br clear="none">
spend a couple of battery power - the FT can only add 3 in order to do <br clear="none">
the same.<br clear="none">
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Panel leakage happens when the CS takes 6 disruptor damage or 9 damage <br clear="none">
while reinforced, on the rear panels. This hits hull (3) and then cargo <br clear="none">
(12) before it can hit anything else. The chances of this hitting <br clear="none">
something important over the course of the game is very slight and <br clear="none">
requires that the opponent not use large volleys. Small volleys <br clear="none">
constitute a best case for the Andromedans because of a host of other <br clear="none">
interactions - In short, don't use small volleys if you want to kill CSs.<br clear="none">
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Seeker Defense:<br clear="none">
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The FT has a pair of Ph-3s (good to kill off 1-2 drones) and a drone <br clear="none">
rack (if running LPFC, you would have to silence a Ph-3 to use anything <br clear="none">
else in the Option mount) that could kill another drone.<br clear="none">
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The CS has a pair of Ph-2s and a pair of mines. Because a Ph-2 won't <br clear="none">
auto-kill a drone, you'd be better off using them as Ph-3s against <br clear="none">
drones and letting the capacitor give you a second shot for no extra <br clear="none">
power. If the drones aren't bunched up, then the CS could kill the same <br clear="none">
2-3 drones that the FT can kill. Otherwise it comes out in favor of the <br clear="none">
CS when stopping a Scatterpack.<br clear="none">
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When speaking of plasma, they are both in a similar pickle as their <br clear="none">
phaser arrays are roughly the same (best case at LPFC is that the FT has <br clear="none">
a Ph-2 and Ph-3, the CS has a pair of Ph-2s. 7.833 average damage vs <br clear="none">
8.333 average damage, respectively.)<br clear="none">
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Other bits:<br clear="none">
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Electronic Warfare is an important piece of the puzzle. If willing to <br clear="none">
forgo bricking the shield, the FT can put 3 into ECM. Without batteries, <br clear="none">
this has to be allocated and the opponent can see and overcome this <br clear="none">
level before firing. The CS can go all the way to 6 ECM (for 4-6 turns), <br clear="none">
and in a fashion that leaves the opponent doubt as to how to allocate <br clear="none">
their own counter-EW.<br clear="none">
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Disengagement rules for the scenario won't let anyone leave by <br clear="none">
accelleration until the end of turn 7. The CS's can't do this at all, <br clear="none">
and the FTs are generally either mostly dead or mostly untouched by this <br clear="none">
point. Disengagement by distance is possible before this point - <br clear="none">
something that the higher FT speeds make into a reasonable hope by <br clear="none">
turn-5-ish. Disengagement by sublight evasion is certainly possible <br clear="none">
except that the scenario victory conditions will turn into an Attacker <br clear="none">
Victory, as crippled freighters don't give the defender any victory benefit.<br clear="none">
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Wrapping it up:<br clear="none">
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The Free Trader can hit a higher speed - speed 20 (maximum allowed by <br clear="none">
the scenario), while the CS is stuck at speed 12. This makes a late-game <br clear="none">
disengagement a possibility for the FTs. In order to do that, it becomes <br clear="none">
incumbant on the defensive Galactic ships to screen the freighters until <br clear="none">
the freighters can get some significant distance from the attacker <br clear="none">
weapons. In the case of the Andromedan defenders, they would have to go <br clear="none">
more aggressive than a galactic defense would need to be. Considering <br clear="none">
the Andromedan need for short-but-not-point-blank ranges, this dovetails <br clear="none">
with their normal strategy fairly nicely.<br clear="none">
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The Cargo Sleds have more durability in almost every situation. When <br clear="none">
using reinforced panels, they can absorb 9 more damage. When using EW, <br clear="none">
they can often get a shift. When setting up the opponent to hit a <br clear="none">
different bank of panels, they can set up fresh "shields" for the next <br clear="none">
attack. The only case that they can "merely" get parity to the Free <br clear="none">
Trader is if they are dry of battery power and at the same time unable <br clear="none">
to maneuver the opponent on a different bank (presuming the attacker <br clear="none">
isn't simply dry of weapons for the next 10 or so impulses.)<br clear="none">
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Different fleets and different systems employed by those fleets will <br clear="none">
require different tactics. This applies to the defensive fleets and <br clear="none">
their systems as well as the systems employed by the attacking fleets.<br clear="none">
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Since the Andromedans have slower freighters, then they need to adjust <br clear="none">
their tactics accordingly: screen the vulnerable freighters with "naval" <br clear="none">
ships. Since the Andromedans have close-in weapon systems, they need to <br clear="none">
get aggressive. Since their panels make them class-for-class much harder <br clear="none">
to score internals on, they can push harder to get that short attack range.<br clear="none">
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The Galactics have their own challenges. Their freighters cannot stand <br clear="none">
long-range sniping for long. Nor can they (on their own) dissuade an <br clear="none">
opponent from chasing them by using (hidden) mines. This lends itself to <br clear="none">
the Galactics needing to screen their freighters (as with the Andros.)<br clear="none">
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The result (generally speaking) is a wash. Both sets of defenses screen <br clear="none">
the freighters with the naval units to get the freighters outside the <br clear="none">
envelope of the battle. The Free Traders are better at getting away on <br clear="none">
their own and the Cargo Sleds are better at withstanding the barrage <br clear="none">
until their screening units becomes to dangerous for the attackers to <br clear="none">
simply chase the freighters.<br clear="none">
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--Matt<br clear="none">
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