<div dir="ltr">As has been mentioned...No Border is a deterrent to fight for everyone involved. Because of game mechanics where you need income to build ships and you are saying...hey lets go out and blow up our factory that makes the money we use to build ships. Yeah that will help us a lot??? So no one fights those fights. The way this plays...it is just a really bad choice. If that was required to win in someway....where it meant you got free income...and they lost all income until they retook the site then sure. But this just kills everyone's income. And unless you lose all borders. It just slows you down but concentrates your forces. So after a while no one can bother you and you re-expand. <div><br></div><div>But as Marcel mentioned...hit them in a real fashion that does not cripple you to do so. Severe penalties for not winning defense situations. Which is what actually happens in War...you cannot cut a path into the enemy as they cut a path into you....passing in the night. You have to hold ground to win. And expand. Making it where someone you are fighting loses a border just means everyone lost for a benefit of? Nothing. And a permanent lose of income with no way to get it back if ever.</div><div><br></div><div>Chuck</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 2:25 PM Marcel Trahan via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">And if you get to the point of negative EP for a turn, then, you have to scrap ships equivalent to the negative EP.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 12:30 PM Marcel Trahan <<a href="mailto:marcel.trahan91@gmail.com" target="_blank">marcel.trahan91@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, lots of no border scenarios.<div><br></div><div>I would have rather seen more scenarios with a big negative EP instead for the defender and a good positive EP for the attacker. More like:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium">Defender's reward for successful defense:</b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"> EP40</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium">Defender's penalty for unsuccessful defense:</b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"> EP-80</span><br style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"><b style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium">Attacker's reward for an unsuccessful defense:</b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium"> EP80</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div>That would force some combat for those EP. You either defending it well or it might hurt you and as an attacker, gaining 80 EP while technicaly removing 120 EP from the defender is a good options.</div><div>This would hurt/benefit EP's without the penalities of closing border (where you both hurt the enemy and yoursefl)</div><div><br></div><div>Border/no Border is not the proper way to go i think.</div><div><br></div><div>Kronos High Command</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 4:05 PM Gregory Flusche via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">One of the things being talked about was a more definite victory condition. The More no border penalties is a way of closing off the other players borders. To end a game faster. Again however closing borders closes yours as well.. perhaps a close border and open new border scenario. Thus You close some ones and get a new one? <div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 11:55 AM Francois Lemay via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="gmail-m_-1761521028994632476gmail-m_7623647515059659018gmail-m_7752494383282840863gmail-m_231185367561745459ydp61139fb0yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></div><div class="gmail-m_-1761521028994632476gmail-m_7623647515059659018gmail-m_7752494383282840863gmail-m_231185367561745459ydp61139fb0yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">
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