<div dir="auto">Balanced borders please.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 6:15 PM <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama-request@lists.mattnet.org</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send SFBdrama mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Late war (Don Lavanty)<br>
2. Late War borders (Matthew)<br>
3. Re: Late War borders (Matthew)<br>
4. Re: Late War borders (Charles Carroll)<br>
5. Re: Late War borders (Matthew)<br>
6. Re: Late War borders (Matthew)<br>
7. Re: Late War borders (Paul Meyer)<br>
8. Re: Late War borders (Randy Blair)<br>
9. Re: Late War borders (joshua s)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:06:20 -0500<br>
From: Don Lavanty <<a href="mailto:emeketos@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">emeketos@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Dramatic SFB: Late war<br>
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Is there room for one more player?<br>
I could do<br>
Gorn<br>
Kzinti<br>
Hydran<br>
Tholian(neo?)<br>
Andromidan<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:03:03 -0500<br>
From: Matthew <<a href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matt@mattnet.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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Heya Gents.<br>
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I'm putting together the borders for everyone, and have a question for <br>
the list. I have two ways of doing Borders (that I'm considering here. <br>
There's at least one other way, but it's unpopular):<br>
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A) Historical neighbors. Give you neighbors based on who you <br>
historically are near. But in some ratio that makes sense and is <br>
balanced for everyone.<br>
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B) By F&E. Same historical neighbors, but in some ratio dictated by the <br>
Fed&Emp map. Some people will have very few borders (with anyone) and <br>
some will have large borders. So it's not balanced, but could add an <br>
interesting dynamic.<br>
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For those who are curious:<br>
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C) By food group. Plasma are neighbors together, D&D are neighbors <br>
together, everyone else are neighbors together. This is the unpopular <br>
option with the guys here. Not up for grabs.<br>
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--Matt<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:04:21 -0500<br>
From: Matthew <<a href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matt@mattnet.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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> B) By F&E. Same historical neighbors, but in some ratio dictated by <br>
> the Fed&Emp map. Some people will have very few borders (with anyone) <br>
> and some will have large borders. So it's not balanced, but could add <br>
> an interesting dynamic.<br>
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Sorry. To get tot he point of the last email, I had promised to set <br>
things up like this. But I'm finding that it *is* unbalanced. Do you <br>
guys want this option? or should I set it up like I have been?<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:09:12 -0500<br>
From: Charles Carroll <<a href="mailto:mastrvran@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mastrvran@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Matthew <<a href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matt@mattnet.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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Well few borders naturally makes for issues. Balanced Borders makes more<br>
sense since this is not the actual borders...which would have the Feds on<br>
everyone's Border. Pretty much.<br>
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So I am good with balanced.<br>
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:04 PM Matthew via SFBdrama <<br>
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> > B) By F&E. Same historical neighbors, but in some ratio dictated by<br>
> > the Fed&Emp map. Some people will have very few borders (with anyone)<br>
> > and some will have large borders. So it's not balanced, but could add<br>
> > an interesting dynamic.<br>
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> Sorry. To get tot he point of the last email, I had promised to set<br>
> things up like this. But I'm finding that it *is* unbalanced. Do you<br>
> guys want this option? or should I set it up like I have been?<br>
><br>
> --Matt<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:13:24 -0500<br>
From: Matthew <<a href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matt@mattnet.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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> ...which would have the Feds on everyone's Border. Pretty much.<br>
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Not entirely true... The Peladine, for example, would find that their <br>
only neighbor is the Lyrans. And where the Romulans have two players, <br>
only one of them would be "Federation-facing" (the other is presumably <br>
in the other half of the empire.) Other empires are in similar straits.<br>
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But indeed that the Federation players would, probably, each have some <br>
of the largest starting borders.<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:16:33 -0500<br>
From: Matthew <<a href="mailto:matt@mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">matt@mattnet.org</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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And for those who are curious what the map looks like, try this:<br>
<a href="http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png</a><br>
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Since that is a Y168 map, the un-represented empires (that are in the <br>
campaign currently) are the Frax and Seltorians. Carnivon, Paravian, and <br>
Vudar are also not represented, but also not selected in the game. The <br>
Seltorians would have the slice of Klingon space facing the Tholians and <br>
the Frax would share the northern Klingon border with the Kzinti.<br>
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--Matt<br>
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:26:34 +0000<br>
From: Paul Meyer <<a href="mailto:falrun@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">falrun@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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I'd prefer a more balanced border, even if it isn't 'historical'.<br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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And for those who are curious what the map looks like, try this:<br>
<a href="http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png</a><br>
<br>
Since that is a Y168 map, the un-represented empires (that are in the<br>
campaign currently) are the Frax and Seltorians. Carnivon, Paravian, and<br>
Vudar are also not represented, but also not selected in the game. The<br>
Seltorians would have the slice of Klingon space facing the Tholians and<br>
the Frax would share the northern Klingon border with the Kzinti.<br>
<br>
--Matt<br>
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 20:37:03 -0500<br>
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No preference<br>
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 8:26 PM Paul Meyer via SFBdrama <<br>
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> I'd prefer a more balanced border, even if it isn't 'historical'.<br>
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> And for those who are curious what the map looks like, try this:<br>
> <a href="http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png</a><br>
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> Since that is a Y168 map, the un-represented empires (that are in the<br>
> campaign currently) are the Frax and Seltorians. Carnivon, Paravian, and<br>
> Vudar are also not represented, but also not selected in the game. The<br>
> Seltorians would have the slice of Klingon space facing the Tholians and<br>
> the Frax would share the northern Klingon border with the Kzinti.<br>
><br>
> --Matt<br>
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Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 02:07:56 +0000<br>
From: joshua s <<a href="mailto:badreligiontrk07@hotmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">badreligiontrk07@hotmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Dramatic SFB: Late War borders<br>
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Option A.<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<br>
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On Dec 13, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Randy Blair via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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No preference<br>
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2018, 8:26 PM Paul Meyer via SFBdrama <<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>> wrote:<br>
I'd prefer a more balanced border, even if it isn't 'historical'.<br>
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And for those who are curious what the map looks like, try this:<br>
<a href="http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://mattnet.org/portfolio/fande.png</a><br>
<br>
Since that is a Y168 map, the un-represented empires (that are in the<br>
campaign currently) are the Frax and Seltorians. Carnivon, Paravian, and<br>
Vudar are also not represented, but also not selected in the game. The<br>
Seltorians would have the slice of Klingon space facing the Tholians and<br>
the Frax would share the northern Klingon border with the Kzinti.<br>
<br>
--Matt<br>
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