<div dir="ltr">As for hidden mines? I do not really care. The client does seem to handle them alright. Now me i think that WW should be outlawed..but then i use Plasma are QWTs<div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Ann Monaghan via SFBdrama <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org" target="_blank">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Sounds like you are referring to our game a couple months ago.<br></p>
<p>Yes, I do check info on units/counters and when they don't matchup, I challenge or as some folks view it, crying foul.<br></p>
<p>Sorry to hear you are upset about that. 😞<br></p>
<p>However, Michael does present a work around solution to the hidden TB thingy.<br></p>
<p>When you go to hide it, enter the following info, the laying ship, hex of layment and turn/imp on piece. Then place the hidden TB in a hex close by and when your ships/units vacate said hex, move the hidden TB to it. <br></p>
<p>Hopefully this should work ??<br></p>
<p>Cheers<br></p>
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I've known about this glitch for quite some time. That's why I try to place once I've left the hex. Unfortunately some players actually check the information on the counter and cry foul. Also they sometimes show up when the person laying the mines loads a saved game. The other player can see his control panel and all pieces listed before he loads his save.
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<p>Agreed Ben, its a silly little rule !<br></p>
<p>FWIW, I will play against Hidden TBs but I will never use this tactic.<br></p>
<p>When I shove a TB out through the shuttle bay doors, I will be announcing such fact using the IA procedure.<br></p>
<p>Besides, I like to see the sweat on my opponents brow when they realize they will hit the damn thing ............................ 😄😄<br></p>
<p>Note to all Hidden TB users, the SFBOL client does not quite hide it when you first lay it, only when your ships have left the hex of laying is the TB actually hidden. Chuck and I discovered this last night, also I remember Matt and I [ Matt more so then me ! ] also had this issue in our Thol vs Pel battle a month or so ago.<br></p>
<p>Also, I noticed last night that if a PoT or PoS counter is in same hex as hidden TB, it can be seen until the counter is moved elsewhere.<br></p>
<p>It seems the TB is only hidden if there is no unit/counter of any kind in same hex.<br></p>
<p>I have informed Paul F. of this fact.<br></p>
<p>Cheers<br></p>
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I was just surprised to find out that the campaign was using hidden mine placement.
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This is an optional rule that I have never seen included in any SFB game in the 35 odd years I have played.
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It is, imho, an absolutely terrible rule. It requires tracking every hex every opponent's ship has passed through and the turn/impulse it left that hex. Ugggg!!!
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I propose that this rule be removed from the campaign rules.
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It adds nothing to the "space combat" game this is supposed to be. The game is already extremely complicated, so much so that it is hard to get a new player to play. Why make it worse for so little tactical gain?
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For now, I request that any opponents I play and I refrain from hidden mine placement during our games, as, of course, I will.
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