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<p>I agree Greg.<br /></p>
<p>Some scenarios do state once the mission objective is achieved, scenario over at that point regardless of current battle situation.<br /></p>
<p>Others do not have such a clear victory condition listed so perhaps the attacker/defender do have to show they can leave unmolested, negotiated or otherwise.<br /></p>
<p>I was just curious.<br /></p>
<p>Cheers<br /></p>
<p>Frank<br /></p>
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Well in a real situation. (as you know this is a game) Are because it would effect the campaign itself. I would want to play it out. Why I may have lost but killing a couple of D5s would help in the campaign. In a simulator the judges would end it and give minus points for the lose of the ships, Yet also would be happy with the win.
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On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 11:09 PM, Ann Monaghan via SFBdrama <
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<p>If the D5s did blow up the Tug in 1 blast, is the scenario not over at this point or do the Klingons still need to prove they can escape even though the objective has been achieved ??<br /></p>
<p>Cheers<br /></p>
<p>Frank<br /></p>
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<p>---------- Original Message ----------<br />From: Matthew via SFBdrama <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org">sfbdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a>><br />Date: January 21, 2018 at 8:47 PM<br /><br /><br />The Klingons sent a pair of D5 War Cruisers and a F5B Destroyer to kill <br />a Tholian Tug (CPC - frigate hull) defended by three Destroyers and a <br />frigate-scout.<br /><br /><br />We rolled weapon status and the Tholians rolled WS-III (rolled 5, +2 <br />base, +1 for scout). This allowed the Tholians to begin with a <br />moderate-strength globular web formed up. The Klingons decided that they <br />couldn't breach that, and decided to retreat.<br /><br /><br />Running the numbers, we decided that:<br /><br />The Klingons would start at about 20 hexes away. If they were going to <br />attempt to breach the web on turn one, they could not afford overloads <br />and would have only a few points of EW. The Tholian web began at <br />strength 10 and the Tholians would add approx 7 strength points to it <br />(all in the first 2 impulses of the turn) after loading overloads. <br />Drones launched on turn 1 will not make it through the web on that turn. <br />It would take only a little power on turn two (4 power from each <br />destroyer) to make it so the drones have no effect at all on the Tholians.<br /><br />Assuming the Klingons would try to web-dive at some point (the sooner is <br />the better, from a web-strength point of view), some D5 would absorb 18x <br />Ph-1s at range 2 (that range being just before the Klingons hit the web <br />and are able to shoot back). Average damage with neutral EW puts the <br />damage at about 81 - crippled D5. That ship would turn off at the last <br />minute and hope to make it's escape before being blown up.<br /><br />At range 1, the remaining Klingons would have 6x Disruptors (25 average <br />damage for standard loads), 2x Ph-1s (10 damage), 6x Ph-2s (25 damage), <br />and a pair of Ph-3s (7 damage). That 67 damage would roughly put paid to <br />the tug, netting the Klingons a win. However, the Tholian's return fire <br />of 6x Overloads (50 damage) and 6x Ph-3s (22 damage) is going to make a <br />hole in the other D5.<br /><br />The following turn, once weapons recycle, would see not only the damages <br />seen above, but the Tholian phaser-1s would be more effective (and <br />recycle one or two impulses before everything else). You'd see the <br />destruction of the D5 in the web and a crippling of a Tholian destroyer. <br />The F5 cannot exit the web (except by going through the globe and to the <br />other side), so is very likely to be destroyed on the turn following the <br />D5's destruction - but perhaps after destroying the crippled Tholian DD.<br /><br /><br />Trading a CW and DD for a DD isn't a good trade, even for a scenario win <br />where the stakes aren't extraordinarily high.<br /><br /><br />There are other permutations:<br /><br />The Tholians could either launch a cloud of shuttles for the phaser-3s <br />(giving them something like 30 more damage at range 1) or charge them as <br />weasels for the EW bump (fire at range 2 as above, to cripple a D5, <br />launch the weasels, absorb some damage, then fire everything from <br />passive fire control. The damage of both sides is reduced for that turn, <br />but the net effect is unlikely to be changed.)<br /><br />The Klingons could charge the web on some turn other than turn 1. The <br />web will be strong enough that nothing will escape it once they enter it <br />(adding about 7 strength points per turn while unmolested means that <br />drones that entered on turn 1 will never leave (strength 23 once a few <br />impulses into turn 2) and it will be strength 29 by turn 3.) However, <br />the EW situation for the Klingons might be better (or might not: they <br />don't have a scout, while the Tholians do. Simply firing the scouts pair <br />of ph-1s later means they enjoy adding a pile of O-EW to some D5 or can <br />add 2 points of EW to the DDs.) This gives the Klingons overloads, which <br />would increase their damage by 25 damage above, allowing the crippled <br />Tholian DD to be a destroyed DD.<br /><br />The Tholians are very likely to beam out some mines into the web, but <br />these are likely to be a non-issue since the Klingons will simply <br />maneuver so they take the mines on a different shield than they present <br />to the Tholians. The Tholians will obviously set the mines to target <br />Size-Class 3 and a 0-hex radius, so they can maneuver freely through <br />them and the Klingons cannot prevent their big ships taking it by <br />sending in the F5 early.<br /><br />Playing games with Erratic Maneuvers or weasels as they web-dive might <br />allow the Klingons to skip the range-2 phaser-hose. This would allow <br />them to do (very best case) 90 more damage (from a second D5, plus <br />having the power for overloads). But it is a simplification, because it <br />doesn't take under account the effects of the Klingon's Passive Fire <br />Control and the Tholians firing before the Klingons do. The Klingons do <br />not have the power to do this and reach the web on the first turn, which <br />makes retreat impossible for any ship in the web. So the entire Klingon <br />force is likely to be destroyed with this technique.<br /><br /><br />--Matt<br /><br />______________________________<wbr />______________________<br />Dramatic SFB campaign chatter list<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://sfbdrama.mattnet.org">http://sfbdrama.mattnet.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="mailto:SFBdrama@lists.mattnet.org">SFBdrama@lists.mattnet.org</a><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.mattnet.org/listinfo.cgi/sfbdrama-mattnet.org">http://lists.mattnet.org/<wbr />listinfo.cgi/sfbdrama-mattnet.<wbr />org</a><br /></p>
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